Posts by Captain Obvious

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Recovery and Elephant

by tornapart in

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would love to see them debating in a thread with each other.....

Captain Obvious

Those two aren't. Here to debate with each other, they're here to slay the apostates and their LIES!

And honestly, I'm really glad they're both here. Recovery seems to put forward SOME good points, and as far as I've read, the best I've seen that the society would be able to put forward. Unfortunately, though his info and excuses explanations are good, his reasoning skills seem to be much like a watchtower study. Lots of circular reasoning.I m not qualified to get into one of those threads, but even with my limited critical thinking skills it's easy to see. Keep it up though recovery! Just before you came on the scene I remember thinking that he need another DJeggnogg.

Elephant likes to jump in on the lighter threads, and derail the hell out of them with red herrings. I've really enjoyed debating with him, but it's hard to keep it all on point. I do, however like to see a believer who isn't just here to be a snarky dick.

To both of you, I wish you all the best in your apostate slaying conquests. I wish I could have stuck to the theology of the JWs as well as you! It can't be easy to come on here and see all these things written about your beloved Org. Please know that your input is greatly appreciated. Is nice to have JW apologists who aren't arrogant assholes like DJ was, and not a hit and run like nanananana.

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What's The Worst Thing About Being A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

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for me, i think it's that the witnesses teach they are god's spokesman.

they represent his "faithful & discreet slave"....and that they alone are expounders of the only truth and that if you disagree with anything they teach, you are considered worse than vomit.. it's unbelievable because these people are wrong so many times, it cannot be excused!.

as a witness, you must accept every viewpoint and if you (and your family) do not accept it all, hook, line and sinker, you are "apostates"!!!.

Captain Obvious

While BEING a witness, I'd say growing up resenting your family's faith, even if you're a believer. Always feeling different than your school friends, who can't get too close because there's that friendship line they can't cross.

Then after growing up, getting married and THEN waking up, the worst part is not knowing HOW or even IF you'll be able to wake up any family or friends. That's even worse than realizing you've been in a CULT your whole life.

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Quoting out of context - ever justified?

by cognisonance in

jw literature on subjects such as creation vs. evolution often quote out of context, with the most recent material (the newest brochures) acknowledging that often those quoted to support the jw viewpoint do believe in evolution nonetheless.

sometimes indeed quotes in jw literature are just outright misquotes, leaving off preceding or succeeding words (or sentences) that would completely alter the meaning of the source sited (i.e.

carl sagans quote, the fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a great designer is indeed a flat out misquote).. .

Captain Obvious

Cognisonance

Not sure if you got a proper welcome to the board or not, but.. Welcome! I think you will be a valuable member here.

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Quoting out of context - ever justified?

by cognisonance in

jw literature on subjects such as creation vs. evolution often quote out of context, with the most recent material (the newest brochures) acknowledging that often those quoted to support the jw viewpoint do believe in evolution nonetheless.

sometimes indeed quotes in jw literature are just outright misquotes, leaving off preceding or succeeding words (or sentences) that would completely alter the meaning of the source sited (i.e.

carl sagans quote, the fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a great designer is indeed a flat out misquote).. .

Captain Obvious

WalkingHome Welcome to the board! How about an intro post?

The WT has never been shy about misquoting experts' work. Almost every article about creation/evolution, and 607 will contain at least SOME misleading information. They are no better than the Christian Fundies who still believe the earth really was created in 6 days.

They don't stop there, though. Having never taught the R&F to read the bible properly in context, scriptures are regularly mis-applied or taken WAY out of context in talks and discourses. He many times have you heard an OT text applied to the preaching work? Or heard Jesus' words applied to all Christians when he was clearly speaking to one person? Or my favorite, trying to apply a proverb (4:18 anyone?) as a prophecy for the last days. I realize that this thread is meant to discuss more recent works taken out of context, but if they are more than willing to misquote the bible which they respect above all others, should it be a surprise that they would abuse some worldly heathen's work?

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Governing Body Meddling In Private Bedroom Affairs

by Bangalore in

governing body meddling in private bedroom affairs.. .

in chapter three of his book "crisis of conscience" ray franz mentions that the gb interfered in the private bedroom matters of the jw's.

here is an excerpt from that chapter.. .

Captain Obvious

God I'm glad I wasn't around back then. Married people couldn't go down on each other, people in Malawi getting killed while people in Mexico could get away with a bribe. Need a liver? Too bad, go die instead. OH, and don't forget, Armageddon is mere months away!

And they say things are much worse today... I don't see it. The Borg is still terrible, but back then I don't know how they ever got new converts.

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Sympathy for the (Devil),, I Mean Governing Body

by frankiespeakin in

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should we feel some sympathy for the governing body?

after all they have taken on thr reins of power over a corporation that has very bad,, dead end business stradagy based on a dellusional idea that the end of the world would come based on dates found or imagined in the bible,, a book about ancient deity worship with all its superstition about what make him angry and mad.. they have bought into this dellusion with their heart and soul,,they stand to loss big time now that the internet is here,, the internet is their satan and his demons on the net are taking aim..

Captain Obvious

I agree with BOC... Pity, at most.

Thats not to say I wouldn't love to see every one of 'em embarrassed in a courtroom.

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There's gotta be another faction in the Writing Department, either that or they can't see the irony.

by Theocratic Sedition in

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the past two week's worth of wt studies have made a couple points that appear contradictory in nature.

yesterday was too much, i felt at least.

either there's another faction within the writing department fighting for the equivalent of airtime in the literature, or they're all so indoctrinated that they fail to see the irony in what they publish.. for instance, take paragraph 5 from last week's lesson.. 5. unlike the law codes of many countries, "the perfect law" is neither complex nor burdensome but consists of simple commandements and principles.

Captain Obvious

Elephant you keep deviating from the point, then giving me shit for following you! I can't figure out if you're a good debater or a really bad one.

If after all of this discussion you HONESTLY still don't get it, then you have some research to do my friend. We all would be more than happy to help you, but not if you're going to pick apart our explanations of things. Yes, they will include opinions, it comes with the territory.

Try to stick to the problem at hand. If you're honestly not a troll, then try and have a competent, adult conversation or debate. Many of us on here love to debate as long as it is facts that are being debated, not opinions.

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There's gotta be another faction in the Writing Department, either that or they can't see the irony.

by Theocratic Sedition in

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friends

the past two week's worth of wt studies have made a couple points that appear contradictory in nature.

yesterday was too much, i felt at least.

either there's another faction within the writing department fighting for the equivalent of airtime in the literature, or they're all so indoctrinated that they fail to see the irony in what they publish.. for instance, take paragraph 5 from last week's lesson.. 5. unlike the law codes of many countries, "the perfect law" is neither complex nor burdensome but consists of simple commandements and principles.

Captain Obvious

Elephant,

It's easier to get out of a marriage than to get out the org, especially if one is a second or third generation witness (or is that all one generation? Not sure). In a divorce you lose half your stuff, not all of your friends and family who are in.

Your deviation from the point doesn't apply, asking me if I feel that myself or others feel controlled isn't the point. It is a red herring.

But to answer the question (again) EVERYONE who is involved with the org is controlled. Some like the control, some are actually unaware!

Many of us here have read some great books and information about controlling groups and people. Personally I have read Combatting Cult Mind Control and am partway into Freedom of Mind. I would recommend either to you if you would like more information.

On day I told my wife that I really don't like the control the org puts on people. She adamantly disagrees that it's controlling at all! Yeah we still have more work to do. This illustrates the point that many people read articles like this, automatically agree because it comes from Jehovah himself the WT and actually believe they have 100% free will.

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Serena Williams wins....but as a Jehovah's Witness will not toast.....New York Daily News Story

by Balaamsass in

u.s. open sponsor moet leads champagne toast to champion serena williams, a jehovah's witness who does not drinkreporters on tight deadline wait for inappropriate-feeling homage before williams can begin press conference.comments (7).

by filip bondy / new york daily newsmonday, september 10, 2012, 12:00 am.

howard simmons/new york daily newsserena williams is thrilled about winning the u.s. open, but she will not celebrate with a champagne toast due to her religious beliefs.. there was an awkward interval sunday night in the press interview room, when the u.s. open sponsors, moet, delivered a trolley of small champagne bottles to the assembled media who already had waited an hour to ask post-match questions of serena williams.. before williams could begin answering questions, usta ceo gordon smith led a toast that basically called williams victory the greatest match in open history.. .

Captain Obvious

I love it! Before long she will be seen a just another crazy person by the general public.

We couldn't have asked for a better outlet to show the world how crazy JWs are!

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There's gotta be another faction in the Writing Department, either that or they can't see the irony.

by Theocratic Sedition in

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friends

the past two week's worth of wt studies have made a couple points that appear contradictory in nature.

yesterday was too much, i felt at least.

either there's another faction within the writing department fighting for the equivalent of airtime in the literature, or they're all so indoctrinated that they fail to see the irony in what they publish.. for instance, take paragraph 5 from last week's lesson.. 5. unlike the law codes of many countries, "the perfect law" is neither complex nor burdensome but consists of simple commandements and principles.

Captain Obvious

Picture in your mind that the WT is a person, and you are married to that person. That person decides all these things for you, and then tells you how lucky you are that you have such freedom!

Is that freedom at all?

Honestly, some people are lazy/stupid and need/want to be told what to do all the time. These people willingly surrender their free will to another as a means of absolving themselves of responsibility and guilt.

But to say that this is the only way of life, and the best way of life, to live in such "FREEDOM" is a contradiction in itself. I sorry, I can't think of another way to put it more clearly.